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Mennekes Type 2 IEC 62196 connections

I have a Kia Niro PHEV in New Zealand. Charging is 240 VAC (single phase) at a max of 16 amps via a Mennekes type 2 charging cable.

This isn't listed in the vehicles compatibility list, but I assume from the number of European models listed that the Niro PHEV would be compatible - very grateful if somebody could confirm this.


Also I'm wondering how the Mennekes pilot signal cables should be connected.

My understanding - which is a bit limited!, is that the charging cable has a resistor in the charging cable plug between PP and earth to define the current capacity of the charging cable. Therefore for a single phase charger, no connection is required from PP to the controller?

For CP (control pilot) I believe the signal protocol is identical to the J1772 protocol and that CP is connected to the controller in the same way as for a J1772 charging cable.


Very grateful if someone can confirm the above before I go ahead and order to kit.


Chris


OpenEVSE is fully compliant with IEC and SAE EV charging standards. There are not any vehicles that are known to be incompatible in any country.


If you wish to use the Mennekes Proximity pilot you can load an EU specific firmware build. Otherwise connect CP, Earth, L1 and L2 and use the pushbutton to set the correct current.


EU OpenEVSE releases

https://github.com/openenergymonitor/open_evse/releases


I have connected an OpenEVSE to a type 2 connector in Sweden, so it would be nice to make use of the PP. Are there still EU builds at openenergymonitor? The builds at the link above has not been updated for 3 years.

@Patrik - PP is only needed if you have a socket and have multiple cables coming and going with lower current capability than the station. If you have installed a tethered cable, you should set the station to the maximum capability of the hardware. Auto detecting the cable is not necessary if it never changes.


There is no longer an EU specific build of firmware. 

Yeah so the station is untethered. The circuit is only 16A so it's unlikely someone would bring a cable with lower current capacity but it would be nice to be compliant just in case.


So if there's no EU build, how does one enable the PP?

The main firmware now has all the customizations that were part of the EU firmware. I believe PP is enabled by default. If not it would be enabled by compiling custom firmware.


The IEC PP current levels are:

13A

20A

32A

70A


With a 16A Circuit, you would be at 13A continuously for all cables anyway, assuming your local regulations require running at 80% of the circuits peak rating.

Circuits in Sweden are rated at continuous load, so 16A is permissible. But this brings up an interesting question because all the cables and outlets etc that I've been able to find here are rated at either 16 or 32A. I guess I should measure the PP resistance of my "16A" cable.


Here are the resistance values.


Current capability of the cable assemblyRc (±3%)Recommended interpretation range by the EVSE
13 A1.5 kΩ / 0.5 W1–2.7 kΩ
20 A680 Ω / 0.5 W330 Ω – 1 kΩ
32 A220 Ω / 1 W150–330 Ω
70 A single phase / 63 A three phase100 Ω / 1 W50–150 Ω

Ok looks like my "16A" cable advertises itself as a 20A.


Glanced at the firmware code and it seems one needs to uncomment "// #define PP_AUTO_AMPACITY" in open_evse.h.


So I attempted to update the controller with a new firmware by building "openevse_eu" and also setting PP_AUTO_AMPACITY, but this did not work. The firmware appeared to flash ok (using a usbtiny), and in the web firmware menu it does say "8.2.3_EU", but when I plug in the car nothing happened.

I then tried reverting to both the "openevse" and "openevse_1-8-3" configs but the same thing happens, the controller is alive (it cycles the relay on boot, version shows up in the firmware menu, and I can see stuff happening in the openevse debug log, but when I plug in the car nothing happens. It is not registered in the log as a "car connected" event and the relay does not close.


Any idea what I might have broken? Just to double-check, the controller board says "openevse v5.6", the correct firmware is https://github.com/OpenEVSE/open_evse and 8.2.3 (which is the current master) should work?


Is CP control pilot connected correctly?

The station worked perfectly before the firmware upgrade, so all physical connections should be OK. I did actually get it working by flashing with the pre-built emonevse firmware from github as opposed to building and uploading it myself.


It appears the behavior with the emonevse firmware is different than with the original. I believe with the original firmware the relay would close even though the car was fully charged and did not pull any current. The car would then display "plugged in and fully charged". Now it appears to not do this, the relay does not close and the car says "error, check external charging station". This is why I thought it was not functioning. However, when I tried with a depleted battery, the charge does start and proceed normally.


When the car is plugged in but fully charged, the log on the web ui is full of instantaneous state changes between "Disabled - sleeping" -> "Active - car connected" -> "Charging" (but doesn't actually charge anything) -> "Active - car connected" and then, at some seemingly arbitrary time later, back to "Disabled - sleeping ".  Is this the car waking the EVSE up in some way, even though it doesn't have to charge?


I verified that the PP_AUTO_AMPACITY seems to work, but I don't think it works as desired. However, the open_evse repo doesn't have an Issue tracker on github. Should issues be reported through discussion topics?



Issues for OpenEVSE firmware should be here:

https://github.com/lincomatic/open_evse


Issues for features in the WiFi interface here:

https://github.com/OpenEVSE/openevse_esp32_firmware/issues


PP_AUTO_AMPACITY should set the station maximum for non-tethered cables to the values defined in the IEC standard, based on the resistor value in the non-teethed cable. The current may be reduced from the Control Pilot setting if the PP value is lower than the set pilot value.


For example if a 13A cable in plugged into the socket of a 32A station, the current should drop from 32A to 13A. If the station is set to 10A and a 13A cable is plugged in the current should stay at 10A. ALways the lower of the 2 values.


Current capability of the cable assemblyRc (±3%)Recommended interpretation range by the EVSE
13 A1.5 kΩ / 0.5 W1–2.7 kΩ
20 A680 Ω / 0.5 W330 Ω – 1 kΩ
32 A220 Ω / 1 W150–330 Ω
70 A single-phase / 63 A three-phase100 Ω / 1 W50–150 Ω
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